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 Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:41 pm Post subject: Water Vapor Levels Offsetting Carbon's Effects |
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http://www.dailytech.com/Dropping+Water+Vapor+Levels+are+Naturally+Negating+Carbons+Warming+Effects+/article17553.htm
| Quote: | | Mother Earth appears to be solving the carbon-based warming "problem" for us |
| Quote: | Despite the apparent bias of many climate researchers, they do have one thing right; carbon levels have risen notably over the twentieth century from about 300 ppm to 375 ppm. While still far from the estimated levels of around 3,000 ppm during the time of the dinosaurs (appr. 150 MYA), the rising levels do mark a legitimate trend. However, there is increasing evidence that the rising carbon, contrary to alarmist reports is actually having remarkably little effect on global temperatures.
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| Quote: | | The new research could help explain why despite tremendously higher carbon levels, the planet was not inhospitable hundreds of millions of years ago. By lowering water vapor levels, the planet might have been able to compensate, at least partially, for atmospheric carbon levels nearly 10 times higher than today's. |
| Quote: | | Admittedly the picture is still not clear about how our planet reacts to changes in atmospheric composition. Other factors may also be at play in helping the Earth balance temperatures, including ocean currents and solar activity. Ironically, no global warming model appears to accurately consider changing water vapor levels, and few offer decent consideration to solar activity. Thus much of the model based research used to predict warming is likely badly flawed. |
I added bold.
| Quote: | Despite the fact that current evidence points to a minimum role of carbon in affecting our planet's climate, the expensive movement to ban or restrict carbon globally retains significant momentum. It remains to be seen whether politicians choose to consider the latest unbiased research, or instead forge ahead on a crusade against the rather weak greenhouse gas.
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I leave the article to stand on its own.
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I'm gonna stick to what I know.... I know for sure... for certain, without a doubt that anyone that claims to know much of anything about how climate works long-term on a global scale is a liar or a moron or both.
We simply do not have nor do we have the capability to account for enough variables in the history of the planet to form a cohesive theory on how the Earth's climate works. Any other claim is rubbish.
I'd just as soon believe that we've solved M-Theory.... time, God or Women !
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THAT was largely the point of the article. It's what most critics have been trying to say all along. The goal of the enviro-nut is to play God, Gaea, Savior-of-the-Universe, etc. WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO TRY TO WEAR THAT MANTEL. And to try to say other wise is only to show your ignorance of how complex reality is.
Is it coincidence that the one of the simple things that keeps the planet from turning into an iceball is the fact that at about 4 degree Celsius water begins to expand allowing ice to float (which allows the sun to shine on it and melt it)?
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You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
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Right. 
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Yeats
"God help aliens if we find 'em. Especially if they taste good." — SA
lose [looz] ,lost, los·ing. 1. to come to be without (something) through accident, theft, etc., so that
there is little or no prospect of recovery.
loose /lus/ [loos] adjective, loos·er, loos·est, adverb, verb loosed, loos·ing. –adjective 1. free or
released from fastening.
their [thair; unstressed ther] –pronoun 1. a form of the possessive case of they used as an attributive
adjective, before a noun: their home; their rights as citizens.
there [thair; unstressed ther] –adverb 1. in or at that place (opposed to here).
they're; Contraction of they are.
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